This was my first major experience to Werewolf the Apocalypse. I heard from previous players that it had most of its problematic features taken away and that this makes a lot of the issues between tribes and Feras less apparent. However, reading through it as a new player I still see where the conflicts can arise especially with the Fera being treated as essentially second class. Another complaint is that there is a war after they lost the war and this is unrealistic. I see it more as the true conflict, what happens when a civilization is dying do the people let it die or are they going to fight to survive. The complaint that the shrinking of gifts has been another complaint that I heard, but these are older players that are used to the vast number, this book is about 750pgs, and that is setting gifts, species all sorts of information to give a decent feel for the world and its characters. I was frieghtened by the page number and thickness, but I wanted to learn and read more because it is still interesting, older players who run these games can add in the old gifts if they want to, but for new players it works just fine.